we're not agreeing to disagree here glyph, i wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with anyone here, perhaps you missed the point of my post. Perhaps it should be spelt out to you. In your dismay at Elfie slagging slayer a group you think highly of, you turned around and slagged Manson. An artist I am a fan of.

I attempted to alert you of your irritating plan of putting Elfie **in his place** by pointing out a simple fact to you. You assumed something that was not correctly and completely made clear. I tried to be classy about my approach. Was it too subtle? Hope not, here is the somewhat subtle approach again. What were your words? at least slayer puts out albums their fans love while Manson doesn't anymore? something like that. In that statement you included all Manson fans of which I am one, and i found it irritating that you would speak for me. You don't, my mind is my own. At least when you and Dana said something Elfie had the good graces to say it was his opinion, please don't discount the show, and go see it in full. You on the other hand kept at Elfie. I don't know Elfie from a hill of beans but I'd rather talk to him over you because from what I've seen and read online here Elfie is highly opinionated and willing to converse about it while you are highly opinionated and willing only to be right about it. Surely your a much cooler person than that. If not good luck to ya.

Either way I'm finished, I believe I've made clear I was offended by your generalist comment, I believe Fans of Manson and Manson himself as well are deserving of an appology at the most and or recognition of a slight made at the very least. For me, Manson is the first artist whose work I could listen to from beginning to end, continuous play, sleep to it, sing to it, look up the lyrics for and memorize it, think over it, consider it, draw artistic inspiration from, own every album, and never ever get tired of it. I may not understand 2 of his albums, but i still play em. I can't say the same for any other artist. Manson is my muse.